Penis Discourse

Posted: August 24, 2011 in Blogging, Freedom of Speech, Identity

Often, when crap ‘studies’ like this occur, their only ‘value’ is the discourse they generate, good, bad, and ugly.

Here is a choice comment from Below The Line on the article at the Daily Beast about the research (I do not know who ‘Ron White’ is):

‘A quote from Ron White:

I told him, “We’re all gay, man. It’s just to what extent are you gay.” He says, “That’s bullshit, man, I ain’t gay at all!” I said, “Yes, you are and I’ll prove it.” He says, “Fine, prove it.” I said to him, “All right- do you like porn?” He says, “Yeah, I love porn, you know that.” I said, “Do you only watch two women doing it?” He said, “Naw, I’ll watch a man and a woman make love.” I said, “OK, do you want the guy to have a tiny, half-flaccid penis?” He said, “Naw, man, I like big, hard, throbbing co- (stunned pause)  …  I did not know that about myself.” ‘

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I think Mark Simpson’s latest post was excellent, and I have not read anything anywhere else on the subject of this latest piece of ‘sex science’ that even begins to cover the territory he does. (I noticed Guardian CIF were looking for ‘bisexual males’ to write something about it and so far no dice. Maybe they do not need to prove they exist by writing for The Guardian).

That’s why I wanted people to know about Simpson’s post. Especially academics. Because it is not just ‘scientists’ and it is not just Americans who believe in the power of science to determine and measure our identities. The ‘born this way’ discourse is very powerful and pervasive in culture as a whole. I’d like to dismiss it out of hand but I can’t. I see and hear it everywhere. eg coming out of Dan Savage’s pert little sourfaced mouth.

So  [redacted]  is vital as a resistance to that glib yet pernicious rubbish. AND the fact the quote above resonates so closely with Mark’s point about how all men like porn and all men like porn with COCK in it, demonstrates the ‘rigour’ of his research. It is not just  ‘personal experience’ but also ‘participant observation’ in the ‘field’. His is a form of ethnography. Like that of WF Whyte or Steve  Zeeland.



(the ‘bisexual’ of the internet, trying not to offend people *too* much by the fact she not only exists, but actually quite likes who she is and even likes the fact that who she is really really gets up certain people’s noses)


  1. redpesto says:

    I said, “OK, do you want the guy to have a tiny, half-flaccid penis?” He said, “Naw, man, I like big, hard, throbbing co- (stunned pause) … I did not know that about myself.” ‘

    Uh-oh…syllogism alert? Given the privileging of penis-in-vagina intercourse in straight porn, it’s pretty silly to ‘want’ a soft penis when it comes to seeing the man penetrating the woman.

    That said, you’re mainly right re. the tendency to use ‘lab conditions’ as a determinant of sexuality (heaven knows the porn debates have been bogged down in that argument for ages), but that’s an argument against ‘junk science’ not science in general. (The ‘born that way’ argument is as much an ideological attempt to respond to, say, homophobia, as it is an attempt to ‘prove’ why people have same-sex experience/attraction – somehow ‘because we can, stupid’ doesn’t cut it)

    PS: Great choice of pic: like some kind of BDSM electro-play device

    • Thanks rp. The photo is Mark Simpson’s – I think he has the measure of the ‘kinky science’ better than me!

      It is ‘silly to want a soft penis’ but isn’t that the point? In our culture wanting to see hard cock is considered gay and so men get all in a flap about it!

  2. redpesto says:

    The Guardian have found someone to write their article. I don’t think he’s all that impressed with the research either:

    Unconvinced by the actual sexual preferences and predilections of their fellow humans, never minding the countless generations of lived experience, the Northwestern team chose instead to attach genital sensors to their subjects and sit them down in front of a variety of porn films. In this way the researchers have discovered something apparently quite new and original about human sexuality. It seems that … steady yourself for this … some of us swing both ways.

  3. Tangent – Ron White is an American comedian, part of the “Blue Collar Comedy Tour” crew with Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall etc. ( And the piece you quoted is one of his classic bits.

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