Remember that survey by OK Cupid last year of their over 3 million users? The one that said Gay people are NOT a threat to straights, and that most gay men are NOT promiscuous? Well someone posted it on twitter recently and I wanted to show, hopefully once and for all, why it is a load of holy baloney. I have written about it before but not in enough scientific detail to convince people how rubbish it is. So here goes:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/gay-sex-vs-straight-sex/
According to OK Cupid a survey of its millions of users has found that:
1.Gay people are not sexually interested in straights.
‘The subtext to a lot of homophobic thinking is the idea that gays will try to get straight people into bed at the first opportunity, or that gays are looking to “convert” straights. Freud called this concept schwanzangst; the U.S. Army calls it Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
We combed through over 4 million match searches, and found virtually no evidence of it:
- only 0.6% of gay men have ever searched for straight matches.
- only 0.1% of lesbians have ever searched for straight matches.
- only 0.13% of straight people’s profile visitors are gay.
In our dataset, there was not a single gay user, male or female, who primarily searched for straight people.’
- Girls who like guys
- Guys who like girls
- Girls who like girls
- Guys who like guys
- Both who like bi guys
- Both who like bi girls
- Straight Girls Only
- Straight Guys Only
- Gay Girls Only
- Gay Guys Only
- Bi Girls Only
- Bi Guys Only
2. Gay people aren’t promiscuous.
‘It turns out that a tiny fraction of gays have single-handedly two-handedly created the public image of gay sexual recklessness—in fact we found that just 2% of gay people have had 23% of the total reported gay sex, which is pretty crazy’
This figure got bandied around the internet A LOT when the survey was published. Because, Ithink, it really suits the conservative move amongst many gay people, to show how gay men are not ‘slutty’ – except for you know, those ‘sluts’. And to say only 2% of gay men are having nearly a quarter of ‘gay sex’ (whatever THAT is), really supports this conservative agenda.
But AGAIN there are NO NUMBERS. When I set up my OK Cupid profile nobody asked me how many partners I have had to date. And so it must be a separate ‘questionnaire’ or question posted that users have the choice to answer or not. There is no indication how many people answered the question, and how many gay men did.
Also this is not Grindr. It is not just a casual sex site, though some do use it for that. OK Cupid is marketed as a ‘dating site’ where you can meet your ‘true love’. People often LIE about how many partners they have had. Even gay men. Especially when they are looking for a ‘relationship’.
Even if this information is ‘true’ within the limitations of the research, the fact they have extrapolated from the users of OK Cupid to the whole (eg gay) population is RIDICULOUS. OK Cupid is international and so although ’3.2 million users’ is a lot, this is in a number of countries, including the USA. There are many other sites and some particularly ‘gay’ or ‘men who have sex with men’ sites that er…men who have sex with men, use a lot more than OK Cupid. But no,they have presented their ‘findings’ as if they say a truth about all gay men everywhere.
The lack of care for methodological rigour, I found with this ‘survey’ to be astounding. Not in itself, because it is a commercial website looking for business. And also seems to be touting a political viewpoint for some reason or other, supporting Gay marriage and the repeal of DODT. Maybe it was just trying to sell itself to good liberal customers. I don’t know.
What astounded me was how happily people posted and re-posted the survey online. Even ‘science’ people like Ben ‘Bad Science’ Goldacre, who normally analyse and critique terrible surveys, especially if they get a lot of media attention.
My conclusion was that when it comes to sex, people, including scientists, just don’t seem to care about research rigour, or ethics, or anything really. It’s only sex. It’s only sexual identity. So, they missed all the entire population of people who identify as BISEXUAL out of their survey? So, who cares? It says GAY MEN AREN’T SLUTS. That’s news!
Mark Simpson, who also looked with horror on this survey and the following media hype of it, had this to say of its claims to being scientific:
‘Choke on my statistical reality’…
I did choke. I still am really. Not on OK Cupid’s approach to ‘statistical reality’ but on people’s willingness to swallow whole, lies about sexuality.
I don’t really know how gays seducing straights works, but I’d wonder if internet dating would actually be the best method. Surely the trick is to get them drunk or give them a back-rub or something? I doubt approaching them on the internet would work very well.
the point is that ‘straight’ men are often up for sex with men, but they would probably go on a website that was all men where they were not under the watchful eye of women. eg Grindr, Gaydar etc. There are loads of ‘straight/bi/bicurious’ men looking for cock on the internet. I think there are some on OK Cupid. But the way the match searches have been analysed has avoided those men.
I’d tend to err towards OK Cupid being a little slapdash with statistics and slicing data in a way that is appealing to public, rather than them attempting to erase bi-sexuality from their figures. It’s lazy, but broadly speaking sexuality is too complex to be expressed by figures. It’ll be interesting to see if their approach becomes more heteronormative now they are owned by the same company as Match.com
thats generous of you Magpie but they totally leave out the results for bisexual users/searches of bisexual people.
I think that is more than slapdash it is deliberate.
But yes now they are owned by Match.com they will be more about looking for ‘lurrve’ I think.
I’m sure you’ve seen this OK Cupid blog that was deleted on their purchase by Match.com – http://replay.web.archive.org/20101006104124/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/why-you-should-never-pay-for-online-dating/
no I hadn’t thanks. Haha!
the okcupid blog does seem a bit sketchy sometimes. but, in regards to specifically the following;
“When I set up my OK Cupid profile nobody asked me how many partners I have had to date.”
i think when you join OK cupid they make you complete the “personality test”, which includes asking you your number of sexual partners but it remains unpublished on the site.
though you are right to say there is a selection bias. OK cupid is only an ‘alright’ hookup site for straight people, and even then… but my gay friends opted more for directly gay-oriented sites for a larger database of gay users.
maybe I havent been through all the hoops yet. But I can do ‘searches’ so they should be able to include them in their data without doing the ‘personality test’?
Basically they are a commercial dating site not a research organisation. And even research organisations produce REALLY dodgy research on sex/sexuality!
yeah I don’t think many gay men use OK Cupid but again. No numbers so who knows?
Did Freud really use the term Schwanzangst? If so that’s hilarious and the guy had a good sense of humor. I mean Penisneid sure, but Schwanzangst?
well spotted Thomas!! NO he didn’t.
http://www.madebymark.com/madebymark/2010/10/16/freud-called-this-concept-schwanzangst-not.html
Freud reportedly used the term “Schwanzangst” frequently in conversation with the playwright Arthur Schnitzler, however he used this specifically to refer to Little Hans’ fear of horses’ tails, and used the more archaic “Schweifangst” in print.
do you have a better ref than a translation site alex? I cant read German and that page is all in German!
You want a more reliable translation for a blatantly made up fact? Click on “dick” in the google translate and it’ll show you other meanings.
They also say that Canadians are more “gay curious” than Americans, pretty much East to West. I suspect the Quebecers bring up the average. They have that joie de vivre, and that’s a very – gay curious – attitude to have.
And yes, Americans are a strange bunch. There’s that quote from Demint focusing his laser hot stupidity on “practicing homosexuals”…only. They just don’t seem to know what to say or do anymore. I guess he means like a practicing drug user. I don’t think you can be a non-practicing drug user, can you?
And loved your post
I think elissa the person who wrote this is gay. It is riddled with the ‘gay rights’ fundamentalist ticks. Gay marriage, DODT, gay men are not promiscuous, gay people don’t fancy straight people etc etc
Thanks alex. I didn’t see the translation on that page just a load of German and some i-phone app ads.
I am annoyed those OK Cupid ‘stats’ went ALL ROUND the internetz