Quiet Riot Girl has kindly brought to my attention the vogue online for dismissing anyone who suggests that men might face sexism as well as women with the retort: ‘what about the menz?’ And it isn’t just feminists using this school-ground approach.
It’s a rather telling phrase because it tries to project the childishness of the people deploying it against the ones they want to shut up. Ironically, it also seems to depend on the ‘patriarchal’ notion of shaming the whining boy who doesn’t just sup it up it ‘like a man’.
Never one to miss an opportunity to whine – or annoy feminists – I thought I’d post this review I did a few years back of a book which argues that abuse and libel of men as a sex is not only acceptable but de rigeur.
The Acceptable Prejudice
Feminism may have triumphed, but Mark Simpson finds the denigration of men has as much to do with money as ideology
(Independent on Sunday, 2002)
Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture – Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young
When I was a little nipper, which was quite a while ago as you can estimate by the fact that at that time nursery rhymes had not yet been replaced by rap music, there was one particular piece of doggerel which was very popular with my sister. ‘What are little girls made of?’ she would recite demurely. ‘Sugar and spice, and everything nice!’ Then her voice would drop into a sneer: ‘What are little boys made of? Slugs and snails and puppy dog tails!!’
My sister, as you can probably guess, grew up to be a feminist. But not before she had given me several pastings – Sugar and Spice was three years older than me and, until my ‘poisonous’ testosterone came to the rescue, much bigger. I mention this story not to avenge myself on my sister or claim victim status – we get on famously now, I’m sure I deserved what I got and besides, apparently I used to actually eat slugs and snails. But because it does somewhat cast doubt on the idea that the female of the species is, as one of the media women quoted in this book gushes: ‘More sensitive. More emotional. More caring. More dependable than males.’
‘Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture’ by Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young doesn’t mention that nursery rhyme about slugs and snails, but it does make a convincing argument that since the Nineties, much of mainstream popular culture has effectively taken up this childish paradigm as the only explanation of good and evil in the world. Men, say the authors, have become society’s official scapegoats and held responsible for all wickedness, including that done by women they have deluded or intimidated. Women are society’s official victims and held responsible for all good, including that done by men they have influenced or converted.
To prove their point the authors subject innumerable TV shows such as ‘Oprah’, ‘Home Improvements’ and ‘The Golden Girls’, and films such as ‘Sleeping with the Enemy’, ‘Fried Green Tomatoes’, ‘Cape Fear’ and ‘The Color Purple’ to rather lengthy, painstaking and frankly frequently somewhat tedious analysis to demonstrate that misandry is actually much more visible these days than misogyny – that in fact it has become the dominant discourse in popular culture. Males and male values and qualities are regularly disparaged, ridiculed or shamed in direct proportion to the way that females and female values and qualities are validated, endorsed and held up for approval.
Hence the importance they attach to the word ‘misandry’, which they describe as ‘culturally propagated hatred for men’. Like misogyny it is often expressed as negative stereotypes of the opposite sex. But unlike misogyny, misandry is not monitored because it is considered morally and legally acceptable: ‘The face of man, as it were, has been so distorted by public expressions of misandry that it has become unrecognisable even to men themselves.’ But is it really worth monitoring? Monitoring moreover in a lengthy, very earnest, very American academic tome freighted with large, indigestible chunks of political philosophy? Is it worth the risk of ‘misandry’ becoming a word that is bandied about ad nauseam by a legion of male Joan Smiths and Germaine Greers?
Oddly, alarmingly, the answer to this question might just be a qualified ‘yes’. They may overstate and restate their case, but that’s what books are for – and as the authors point out, misandry is an ideology whose assimilation has been so successful that most don’t even recognise it as an ideology. This is why sexism is regarded as a one-way street and any men who complain otherwise are mocked for being stupid or wet or both. Worse, it’s become the law, at least in regard to political correctness: our cultural guardians are completely blind to misandry, which literally doesn’t exist: there is only righteous ‘anger’ or a necessary and healthy ‘corrective’ to the crimes of men and patriarchy over the millennia etc. etc. Hence even a pointedly, dramatically misandric film such as ‘The Company of Men’ is attacked as being misogynistic. A film which features two men, one utterly evil, the other hopelessly inadequate; and a main female character who is a virtuous victim. Even the evil guy isn’t misogynistic so much as misanthropic – he destroys the woman only as a way of destroying his ‘buddy’.
What makes ‘Spreading Misandry’ a useful book is not that it attempts to set up a whole new school of whingeing victimology but rather it puts a small spoke in the works of the large and noisy machinery of moral indignation, by turns spiteful and sanctimonious, that feminism has succeeded in constructing in academe and the media over the last twenty years. Moreover, it does this not to assert that men are the new oppressed and women the new oppressors, but to try and do away with the very dualism in Western culture on which crude – i.e. successful feminism – has been based.
But then, even all those years ago, I didn’t quite understand what was so awful about being made of slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails nor for that matter just what was so great about being made of sugar and spice and everything nice. Being bad can be very powerful – and not a little sexy. Hence of course the massive popularity since the Nineties of rap music with boys keen to piss off their feminist mums by apparently becoming all the things that men, according to the new official discourse, are: violent, abusive, dangerous and criminal. Lad culture has also exploited this, with men’s magazines revelling in portraying men as the ‘filthy beasts’ and ‘souped-up monkeys’ that much of feminism has routinely described them as being. Although they don’t analyse rap and other youth movements, Nathanson and Young do observe: ‘Better a negative identity perhaps, than no identity at all. If women say that they are evil, some boys and men think, then so be it.’
Of course, many if not most of the writers and producers of so much of the ‘misandric’ material analysed in ‘Spreading Misandry’ are men. The authors are not claiming that the media is dominated by women now, or that misogyny has been abolished, just that much of the media is paying lip-service to the new feminist-inspired orthodoxies. They don’t state it themselves, but most of the material they analyse is aimed at women or has at least one (materially) rapacious eye on women (missing, for example, is any analysis of action movies, which are aimed squarely at teen boys, and still usually feature heroic males, albeit frequently flawed ones). The ‘misandry’ of the female-oriented works they do analyse is at least as much economic and cynical as it is ideological.
Though not discussed here, so is the phenomenon of so-called Lad-Lit. Real Lad-Lit is FHM or Maxim. Since most books that aren’t about car engines or Hitler are bought by women (though it may be verging on the ‘misandric’ to say it), Lad-Lit is by definition a bit of dissimulation written largely for women who want to get inside a ‘lad’s’ head. Hence novels by Nick Hornby have the same nauseously ingratiating premise (echoed in Tony Parson’s ‘Man And…’ books), often literally and baldly stated: ‘Women are better than men’. Which means: ‘O.K. I’m crap – but it’s only because I’m a man, and I can’t help that. And, moreover, doesn’t that self-knowledge/abasement make me a teensy bit more lovable and readable?’ Lad-Lit is a direct, if less pectorally prominent descendant of New Man – but whereas New Man was trying to get into ladies pants, literally and metaphorically, Lad-Lit is just trying to get into ladies’ purses.
As is often the case, ‘Spreading Misandry’ critiques an ideology that has already reached its high-tide mark. A new generation of ‘spice’ girls seem to be tiring of being ‘better than men’ – after all, so many are choosing to dress like street hookers these days. But then, the gendered Manichean universe, and the essentially traditional, shrewish view of men as bestial creatures that need to be tamed – or, more latterly, spurned – by women that it is based on is rather claustrophobic and airless. Especially that chintzy part of it marked out as ‘Heaven’. Mr Spielberg’s Nineties schmaltz-fest ‘The Color Purple’, for example, in which every male character is an abuser and/or loser and every female character is an unblemished angel, may nor may not be a misandric movie, as Nathanson and Young maintain, but there’s no doubt in my mind that it looks like a working definition of Hell.
Copyright Mark Simpson 2011
http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2011/02/09/misandry-the-acceptable-prejudice/




Even though you’ve been maligned on Feministe, I was happy to have a different point of view appear there. I often go stretches of weeks without commenting there because it tends to be clicky and those outside the click are viewed with major suspicion.
Anyway, gender dynamics have gotten so muddled. The much needed breakdown of the old order that occurred during the 60s and 70s has brought a lot of benefit, but also a crap load of confusion on what to do now. I support most of the shifts that have been made to level the paying field for women, and still believe that our culture as a whole is imbalanced in favor of us men in many ways.
That said, there are plenty of stereotypes are really difficult for men to work with. And some of what the above article points out rings true to me, in terms of the lack of positive, whole men that appear in pop culture. I’d say, though, that the same is often true of the women found in pop culture. I stopped watching TV several years ago because shows were mostly about cardboard cutouts, or people who had submitted to some exploitive situation in order to win some money. Most of pop culture is a terrible example of how to be a person, regardless of gender.
The problem is that black and white views of the world are so seductive. People want a line in the sand that they can cling to, and fight from, but so often, there is no clear line in the sand. Some of the commenters on Feministe are like fundamentalist Christians, who have taken what they have studied and discussed with their friends as the final gospel truth – one worth controlling or destroying discussion for, even worth threatening violence upon those who might stand against it (one regular commenter over there frequently cites a desire to kill certain men.)
But these patterns can be found all over the place, on a wide variety of issues. And as long as the majority of people don’t examine their views, and pay attention to where their ideas about the world are coming from, we will continue to bang our heads against the wall.
Hi Nathan
Thanks for coming over to comment!
Gosh I am not going back to feministe for a while that is for sure.
You are right that people get seduced by ‘black and white’ versions of gender.
I often feel I am banging my head against a wall!
The post here was written by Mark Simpson who I think has a more nuanced approach to gender issues http://www.marksimpson.com
His blog is good and is somewhere I feel able to discuss issues freely without being called a ‘troll’, an ‘asshole’ or anything else!
It’s funny, because as a woman and an ‘ex feminist’ who speaks about misandry (and it has been the speaking about it that has in part contributed to me becoming an ex feminist) I get a lot of shit from feminists. But in a way it is even harder for men to speak about it, because they would say that wouldn’t they? THey are saying ‘whataboutthemenz’- in a selfish way, not just a deluded way as a woman might, who hadn’t seen the light of feminism.
And when I have shared this post online, people have found it much easier to engage with me about it, than with the author even though they could have easily talked to him/you-Mark, too.
Because if they engaged with men saying ‘what about the men?’ and men who said that articulately, with evidence and knowledge of gender relations, they would not have a leg to stand on.
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I deleted Feministe from my blog list. After a good seven months of discussions on there, it’s clear to me that if you don’t fit what the majority there wants to see, you’re screwed. I’ve seen men chased out the door. Women of color chased out the door. Any woman who questions “feminism” – never mind that there are many feminisms – is dogpiled and driven out. Women supporting rights of mothers – run out the door. Men and women who are religious or spiritual, and see those values as informing their social/political views – run out the door.
I’ve had a better time on right wing political blogs, and that’s no picnic either. Anyway, they got what they wanted – I quit. I have better things to do with my time.
It is hard when you invest thought and care into what you think is a worthwhile ideal.
But I am sure you do have better things to do with your time!
I reallly recommend the work of the guy who wrote this post-I know you dont agree with a lot of it but he is bright and thinks about gender in an interesting way!
http://www.marksimpson.com/
I haven’t read this book, but I think it’s hard to avoid going around in circles when talking about representations of gender in popular culture. Someone says ‘look at how women are portrayed in shit rom coms/soap operas/rap music!’ and someone says ‘look at how men are portrayed in thelma and Louise/loose women/soap operas!’ What most of us can agree on is that a lot of popular culture does neither gender a favour – with regards to who it hurts more, well you’d need some kind of scientific content analysis for that, which I imagine not many people have time for. And the answer probably doesn’t matter that much.
Not sure about the bit where it seems to point towards feminism for creating damaging masculinities – “the massive popularity since the Nineties of rap music with boys keen to piss off their feminist mums by apparently becoming all the things that men, according to the new official discourse, are: violent, abusive, dangerous and criminal. Lad culture has also exploited this, with men’s magazines revelling in portraying men as the ‘filthy beasts’ and ‘souped-up monkeys’ that much of feminism has routinely described them as being.” The construction of modern day masculinity/ies predates a feminist movement, and is complex and created by multiple forces.
if you want to see the debate raging on about the article go over to http://www.marksimpson.com where the piece was originally posted!
It’s time to start giving the other side of the story for a change: http://goo.gl/f4pXo